Many times the Shia are attacked by the Ahlul Sunni wa Jamma on the way we combine the Duhr prayer with the Asr and the Mughrib with the Isha. They claim that this is haram and that Salah is intended to be prayed individually. They also claim that this was only done by the Prophet (saw) when he was on a journey, state of fear or during rainfall, and this sunna of the prophet can’t be practiced any other way. So how do we respond to this? First of let me make it clear that Shia do not say that there is anything whatsoever wrong with praying the individual prayers separately. We claim that the Duhr and Asr prayers and Mughrib and Isha prayers can be offered either together or separately and that it is mustahab action to pray them separately.
When we read Quran we read that we are supposed to pray, But the Quran does not tell you how to pray. For this we follow the Sunna (the way) of Prophet(saw). So when we read the Quran on when to pray it splits times of prayer into THREE sections. Examples:
Quran Surah: 11 (HUD) Verse:114- And keep up prayer in the two parts of the day and in the first hour of the night; surely good deeds take away evil deeds; this is a reminder to the mindful.
Quran Surah: 17 (The Israelites) Verse: 78- Keep up prayer from the declining Sun till the darkness of the night and the morning recitation; surely the morning recitation is witnessed.
Quran Surah: 20 (Taha) Verse:130- Bear then patiently what they say, and glorify your Lord by praising Him before the rising of sun and before it’s setting, and during hours of the night do also glorify Him and during parts of the day that you may be well pleased.
So even Quran has split Salah into three sections. The closest verse in the Quran that could possibly be indicated for five prayers is the last example I used. But even this verse does not directly say five. In fact if you try to explain the verse like that, then tafaseer (explanation) of the verse could indicate more then five. When it says parts of the day, we know it as two times a day, but without the knowledge of when to pray as the verse indicates which comes from the hadith it could range form 1-100. Lets say for example the parts of the day means 2 hours long. I could pray for two hours straight and it would still be parts of the day. And the same for when it says glorify him in the hours of the night. The only Salah that is separate is the morning.
Now we examine Hadith. It would be pointless to present Shia hadith on this subject because Ahlul Sunna wa Jamma would say we don’t except your hadith. So I will produce only Sunni hadith on if combining Salah at anytime of life is allowed. But before I do that I will explain why Allah(swt) has allowed us to do this. In fact that it is a blessing of his mercy to mankind.
It is for the convenience of the umma (people). Because people are often busy with their own affairs and have their own duties, like in countries where the work system is not structured for a Islamic system so Muslims are not able to offer their daily prayers according to time. Also some jobs require long hours of continuous, undisturbed work. Therefore in order to avoid missing the second of the two prayers Allah(swt) has made it convenient for you to combine the Duhr with the Asr and Mughrib with the Isha.Also this way you can have prayed Friday prayer (Jammah) with the Asr prayer after in Jammah increasing your reward.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 10, Number 537- Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: The Prophet prayed seven Rakat together and eight Rakat together.
Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 1515- Ibn ‘Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed the noon and afternoon prayers together, and the sunset and Isha’ prayers together without being in a state of fear or in a state of journey.
Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 1516- Ibn ‘Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed the noon and afternoon prayers together in Medina without being in a state of fear or in a state of journey. (Abu Zubair said: I asked Sa’id [one of the narrators] why he did that. He said: I asked Ibn ‘Abbas as you have asked me, and he replied that he [the Holy Prophet] wanted that no one among his Ummah should be put to [unnecessary] hardship.)
Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 1520- Ibn ‘Abbas reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) combined the noon prayer with the afternoon prayer and the sunset prayer with the ‘Isha’ prayer in Medina without being in a state of danger or rainfall. And in the hadith transmitted by Waki’ (the words are):” I said to Ibn ‘Abbas: What prompted him to do that? He said: So that his (Prophet’s) Ummah should not be put to (unnecessary) hardship.” And in the hadith transmitted by Mu’awiya (the words are):” It was said to Ibn ‘Abbas: What did he intend thereby? He said he wanted that his Ummah should not be put to unnecessary hardship.”
Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 1523- ‘Abdullah b. Shaqiq reported: Ibn ‘Abbas one day addressed us in the afternoon (after the afternoon prayer) till the sun disappeared and the stars appeared, and the people began to say: Prayer, prayer. A person from Banu Tamim came there. He neither slackened nor turned away, but (continued crying): Prayer, prayer. Ibn ‘Abbas said: May you be deprived of your mother, do you teach me Sunnah? And then he said: I saw the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) combining the noon and afternoon prayers and the sunset and ‘Isha’ prayers. ‘Abdullah b. Shaqiq said: Some doubt was created in my mind about it. So I came to Abu Huraira and asked him (about it) and he testified his assertion.
There are so many more but this sufficient evidence. Let alone there from the two greatest book that Sunni consider Sahih.
So after examining all the irrefutable evidence, combining Duhr and Asr prayers and Mughrib and Isha prayers, is in harmony with the Qur’an and the Sunnah of Prophet(saw). The fact that this Sunnah is not generally practiced by Ahlul Sunna wa jamma does not make it default in our lives. As the famous Sunni commentator of Sahih Muslim, Al-Nawawi Says- When a Sunnah (way of the Prophet (saw) )is confirmed authentic, it is not abandoned just because some, most or all people abandon it.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:06 am
Salam to the true followers of the ahul bait.
I want to thank you for posting this up, I was in a debate, and he brought up this topic,
and without this page, I would have been embaraased so thanks to all who have shown this to us,
may allah (sawt) bless you all
Ali
August 19th, 2008 at 12:57 am
Asslamu Alaikum to all my brothers.
Some so called “Ahl-Suna wa Jama’a” frown upon combining. The so called “Shia” combine often. The prophet (pbuh) did combine (asr and dhur and maghrib and isha) and he also prayed them at distinct times (5 different times). HE did BOTH. So it is the Sunnah to pray on distinct times and the combine prayers.
They key to being Muslim is not being so called “suni” or so called “shia”.
We not follow Ahl-Bait we follow Muhammed, we don’t follow corrupt scholars or corrupt Muslims (even if everyone seems to do it wrong) we do it the right way.
Don’t consider yourself anything other than Muslim, saying you are suni or shia is a fitnah and making divisions and causing hatred and causing many problems.
Allah does not need you or me, we need him. So pray to him and him alone, and follow the way of Muhammed and let not stereotypes, tradition, or your own personal preference get in the way of following Muhammed (follow Muhammed don’t beleive everything your “sheikh” tells you.
ALLAHU AKBAR.
Jazak Allahu khair for posting the beautiful Quranic verses, and the hadiths!!
MUSLIMS UNITE, in the Quran Allahu says “Prostrate with those who prostrate!”
August 19th, 2008 at 2:20 am
Salaamu alaykum
First off I want to congratulate you on acknowledging that combining Salah is halal, not haram. Second I agree with you on the fact that we need Allah(swt) more than anything in the world. Third I agree 100% that all Muslims unite. But now, we have a problem. First off, understand that Prophet Muhammad (saw) is Ahlul Bayt. He is the head leader.
Quran Surah:33 Verse:33- And God only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the house, and to make you pure and spotless.
Sahih Muslim: Book:031 Number:5955:
A’isha reported that: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) went out one morning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel’s hair that there came Hasan b. ‘Ali. He wrapped him under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came ‘Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying)
So when you say we follow Muhammad not Ahlul Bayt, you are wrong, because he is Ahlul Bayt. To follow the Sunna of the prophet means, to follow the way of the prophet, so even on that level you are wrong, because Ahlul bayt is the way off the prophet. Everything they did is because of his way, meaning they replicated him. And in fact that’s why he said in his speech I leave you two things behind, the book of Allah(swt) and my AHLUL BAYT, these two will never split. Sahih Muslim: Book:031 Number:5920.
And if one tries to say that the wives are from the Ahlul Bayt then I suggest you read this hadith in Sahih Muslim were the prophet was asked that question and he said NO, because if you divorce them they go back to there family’s. Only his blood relatives are his Kin. Sahih Muslim: Book:031 Number:5923.
Furthermore to show that only Muhammad, Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussein (as) are Ahlul Bayt I want you to recall the event of Mubahala. Quran: Surah:3 Verse:61- If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: “Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of God on those who lie!”
You can do research about this verse if you don’t know what it is. And to help you I will give you the Hadith in Muslim pertaining to this event. There you will see who is the family of the Prophet(saw)
Sahih Muslim: Book:031 Number:5915
Salaamu Alaykum.
August 19th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Salaam ou alaykum brother Omar Elfeky,
Brother we are just defending the way Shi’a pray. We are not making fitnah. If we were making fitnah, after defending our way of prayer we would that criticize or ridicule the way you pray. We are not here for that and very humbly agree that we do not need any division in the Ummah. Thank you for your comment, brother.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Wa alaikum alsalam,
Brothers, Ahl-Albayt are all good people and they follow the Sunnah. They are better than us, and so are all of the sahaba. They are the best of the followers of Muhammed. But at the end they followed Muhammed and we should follow Muhammed. There is no verse in the Quran that says we should follow “ahl-albait”. Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) is a great great example, but the best example is Muhammed and our religion is based ON MUHAMMED. He is the prophet not his wives or his children. Ali is not a direct descendant of Muhammed…he is related to him but so was many other people…it doesn’t mean anything to be related to Muhammed. His Uncle will be in hellfire for eternity and he loved Muhammed.
I’m not saying “shia” are making divisions, anyone who claims to be anything another than “Muslim” is making a division.
Most Shia Muslims do base their prayer on Muhammed pbuh. That is good I’m not criticizing that, Muhammed pbuh didn’t pray the same way every time. As long as anyone has evidence that Muhammed pbuh prayed that way, than it is fine. Sometimes I pray at a shia Masjid, it is all the same to me (as long as they don’t engage in any form of SHIRK/POLYTHIESM).
For any of you who think it is ok to be “Suni” or “Shia” or anything other than muslim look at this verse in the Quran:
030.032 Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!
In arabic, the verse uses the term “Shia” of course Shia only means sect, I’m not trying to say that the Quran is talking about Shia Islam (As it exists today) because it didn’t exist back then.
Walahi I love all Muslims, and we are brothers of each other. We need to focus on following Muhammed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And worshipping Allah, there are some Christians and Jews that (very very very very VERY FEW lol) that follow Allah in the right way. Some of them cover and do not eat pork and only beleive in ONE GOD and some Christians beleive that Jesus is not the son of God. So these are good people. I’m sure that you would not have anything ill to say about these people….so why would any Muslim feel anything ill towards any other muslim..and we are BROTHERS.
I’m just trying to break down barriers, between Muslims. I wish Muslims would stop labelling each other and themselves….anything other than MUSLIM.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
If you want to follow Muhammad (sawas) then follow what he says. He says to follow Ahlul-Bayt(pbuT). We are not making schism in religion any where. We are following the Sunnah of the Prophet(sawas). Whatever other people choose to do is between themselves and Allah(swt). To say that all the Sahaba are better than us, brother, I must respectfully disagree with that. I never killed anyone from Ahlul-Bayt(pbuT), so I can say I’m better than some of the so-called “Sahaba” for this reason alone. You can turn a blind eye to facts that occurred in your strive to be politically correct– that is your agenda, that is fine. However, Islam is about Truth and Justice. It would not serve justice to consider these “Sahaba” who were truly hypocrites and bad people as righteous and good men. The Truth is not fitnah. The Qur’an says that not all the Sahaba are good. Who are you to supersede this revelation brother? We are MUSLIM. Shi’a means followers. We follow, Ahlul-Bayt(pbuT). We do this because the PROPHET told us to do this. It’s not something Shi’a made up sitting in the Masjid. Habibi, if you want to see what SHIRK is read in “Saheeh” Bukhari how you will recognize Allah(swt) by his shin, astug’far’Allah! Giving a human reference to Allah(swt)?! I understand your message, and it’s important. But part of combining the Ummah and removing schism or what you refer to as “sects” can only be achieved through knowledge and education of the TRUE Sunnah of the Prophet. Salaam brother.
September 12th, 2008 at 3:45 am
Sorry or the late response, family issue. Subhan’Allah how it was somehow unclear when I said Muhammad(saw) is Ahlul Bayt. I guess everything I wrote made no sense. That’s fine, I am done with this subject, even if you respond, there is no point on responding. My words fall on deaf ears. Obviously clear Quranic verses are not good enough, and I guess Sahih Muslim for you is no longer Sahih?
Then you write that Ali is not a direct descendant of Prophet Muhammad(saw). WOW so let’s see, I guess Fatima, Hassan and Hussein are not as well, right? The fact of the matter is, Ali(as) was chosen to marry Fatima(as) for the simple fact that Ali was more than a mere DISTANT or CLOSE relative. I suggest you do your research on the matter by reading Najhul Balagha, and see who Ali(as) was to the prophet. Find out why Abu Bakr, Omar were rejected when they asked for her hand. Or even yet, read the first article ever posted on shiacrescent, labeled: “Justification of Imam Ali(as).
You then post a verse from the Quran that says do not split your religion. You would have made your point if you would have just presented the verse and said, that splitting Islam is haram. But no, you made sure that you incorporated the word, Shia to show sects. But to make it neutral you said: I know it’s not referring to today’s Shia because there were no Shia back then. But now I’m going to show YOU were the Quran says Shia, and that Shia is referring to Us, and show you who the verse is referring to.
First off, do you even know what the word Shia means? The word means: “The Followers of” So when the Quran uses the word Shia in the Verse it’s saying: “From the people who split up their religion and were FOLLOWERS , every party rejoicing in what is with them. So who is this verse referring to and how do we know tafseer of it, simple, Surah 78 in the Quran, verses 1-4.
Quran: Surah:78 Verse:1-4- Concerning what are they disputing? Concerning the Great News, About which they cannot agree. Verily, they shall soon (come to) know!
Naba-il azim (the great news) here and in Quran 38:67, refers to the vicegerency of man to represent Allah on the earth in order to exercise authority on His behalf, i.e. imamah or wilayah.
According to many commentators it may refer to the day of resurrection, or the prophethood of the Holy Prophet, or the Quran. Although all of them are great and fundamental yet discussion, opposition or disagreement among the human beings concerning their actuality is a regular exercise. So far as the angelical realm is concerned we find no trace of any such behaviour save at the time of the appointment of Adam (man) as the vicegerent (khalifah) of Allah. The angels expressed their disapproval, but yielded to reason when it was proved to them that they were inferior to Adam in knowledge and wisdom because of which Adam was appointed as the vicegerent of Allah. So it was the beginning of controversy regarding the vicegerency of Allah. In every age imamah or wilayah is the most bitterly disputed issue.
Even those who believe in Allah, the revealed scriptures, the angels, the resurrection and the prophets of Allah refuse to accept the fact that there is always a divinely chosen representative of Allah on the earth who by his absolute submission to Allah (abdiyat) and total control over human shortcomings reaches the stage of fanafiallah (absolute absorption of divine attributes) and baqiya-billah (acting on behalf of Allah as His instrument)
Hafiz Abu Nu-aym in Hilyatul Awliya says that the Holy Prophet told his companions: “Naba-il-azim (the great news) refers to the wilayah of Ali ibn abi Talib.”
Quran 5:67 for the wilayah of Ali ibn abi Talib. Therefore wilayah of Imam Ali is the decisive test of man’s submission to Allah’s authority. Man shall not be able to avoid or escape from acceptance of Ali’s wilayah as verses 4 and 5 assert.
In subsequent verses the process of creation demonstrates the evidence of divine plan and purpose which shall culminate in resurrection after which a new world will come into being. The process of developing matter from its lowest form to the highest form, which is human form, has to be carried out by the help of a pivotal entity to function as a medium between the finite and the infinite. Not only in the human society functioning in this world but also in the greater society which will come into being after the day of judgement the pivotal agency is indispensable. In fact the centre of gravitation of any collective existence has to be created before its formation. On this basis imamah or khilafat was bestowed on man and then the human race began to spread over the world and it shall continue to function till the human society reaches its final destination.
“The day of resurrection and wilayah of Ali ibn abi Talib are the two sides of one reality.”
Ali is “the great news”. He is the ark of Nuh. In him and in every Imam in his progeny is confined all that which has been created. Khawja Muinuddin Chishti, a great saint of India, has said: “Those who sought protection through “Ya Sin” killed the imamun mabin”.
So he clearly says that “imamum mabin” in verse 12 of Ya Sin refers to Imam Hussein and It refers to all the Imams of the Ahl ul Bayt.
Imam Muhammad bin Ali al Baqir said: “Naba-il azim refers to Ali ibn abi Talib”.
In the battle of Siffin a soldier came out from the army of Mu-awiyah and recited Ya Sin in front of Imam Ali. He asked him: “Do you know what is naba-il-azim ?” He did not know. Ali said: “I am the naba-il azim.” A similar event also took place in the battle of Jamal.
Amr ibn As, an avowed enemy of Ali, once said: “Ali is the naba-il azim. He is the babullah (the door through which one enters into the realm of the realisation of Allah).”
So when it says those who split their religion it is referring to the people that did not accept Imam Ali(as) after the prophet(saw). Allah(swt) knows all, so in this he made the people aware of what they were going to do, so when the day is made present to us we will all know the truth.
If you have a problem with Imam Ali(as) being Naba-il azim, how funny it is that you can except a mere Sheep to be called Azim.
Quran: Surah:37 Verse:107- “And We ransomed him with a Great sacrifice”. The word great here is Azim. I suggest you learn what this verse is referring to.
Then you say that the Quran does not say to Follow Ahlul bayt, WRONG!!
Quran: Surah:4 Verse:59- O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Apostle and those in authority from among you….. this is better and very good in the end.
“Obey Allah and obey the messenger and the ulil amr (those vested with authority through His messenger).”
The command to obey is infinite-total obedience in all material, religious and spiritual matters, therefore, as this verse clearly signifies, the ulil amr must also be as just, wise and merciful as Allah and the Holy Prophet are, and he who – administers the affairs of mankind should be the khalifatullah (vicegerent of Allah) and the waliallah (representative of Allah whom He chooses after equipping him with His wisdom).
Surah:2 Verse:30-39, and 124; and Surah:5 Verse:55 and 56 and 3 and 67 and these all with representation of the event at Ghadir Khum. A careful study of the above verses discloses that Ali, and after him, the remaining eleven Imams, in the progeny of the Holy Prophet, Ali and Fatimah, are the true successors of the Holy Prophet who have been referred to as ulil amr in this verse. So the Shias obey and follow the Holy Prophet and the twelve Imams.
It is irrational and senseless to accept any ruler as ulil amr, otherwise men like Yazid bin Mu-awiya will have to be included in the category of ulil amr; and no sane person would say that Allah has enjoined to obey men like Yazid (prototypes of whom were and are many and in abundance since the departure of the Holy Prophet till today) just as one obeys Allah and the Holy Prophet.
From the event of ashira (feast of the near relatives to carry out the divine command of “warn your tribe of near relatives”) Quran 26:214 to the day at Ghadir Khum Quran:5:55, the Holy Prophet repeatedly announced the successorship of Ali, therefore, the first step a true Muslim must take to obey the messenger of Allah is to obey and follow Ali ibn abi Talib. Also refer to the “Right Path” and “Peshawar Nights”, published by the Peermohammed Ebrahim Trust or Zahra Publications, because the issue of ulil amr and wali has been discussed in depth in these books with authentic references from the well-known books of tafsir and hadith written by the Muslim scholars.
Now let’s see where the word Shia in the Quran is referring to Us.
Quran: Surah:38 Verse:75- Verily of his FOLLOWERS was Ibrahim. (Wa ‘Inna Min Shīa`atihi La’ibrāhīma) As said in verse 83 those who follow the same creed are called shias, and this has become a term to distinguish those who follow Ali.
The Holy Prophet said: “O Ali, you and your shia, on the day of resurrection, will be surrounded by light, honoured and successful.”
September 21st, 2008 at 1:47 am
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January 20th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
one has to see what did the prophet pbuh do in his practical life. he offered 5 times salat. we must follow him. combine salat during hajj is ok and its exception. and exception is not example at all. may Allah guide u brothers.
January 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm
One has to wonder, did you even read the article!!!??? Where did it say in any of the hadith that, it was OK only during hajj??? Is Bukhari and Muslim wrong about the Prophet allowing them to be combined so that the ummah would not be put through unnecessary hardship. Are you like a Christian?? After you refute Christians with the bible, they come fourth and say I don’t even need the bible. It appears to be the same for you. Bukhari and Muslim are both Sahih according to Ahlul Sunna, but I guess it doesn’t matter to you, because you make your own ruling, you don’t need to follow nothing but yourself. You can do tafseer for Quran on your own without hadith, right?
I find it funny how you just spoke opinion, (which is based of what father and mother thought you, not Islamic studies done by you), instead of producing proof to refute the article. You say may Allah(swt) guide us, trying to say we are doing haram. I suggest you pick up a book and do some reading before you open your mouth. May Allah(swt) guide you and everyone who is like you.
Astagfar’Allah Alul Sunna believe they will see Allah(swt), wow so much for you being already guided.
April 25th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
MoMahdi- [26:214] You shall preach to the people who are closest to you. -This has nothing to do with Muslims following Ali (ra). The verses that you quote do not mention Ali at all. The verse is very simple it is saying that we should warn those who we are close to? It only applies to Ali in the general sense, that he is related to Muhammed so it was Muhammed’s duty to teach Ali about Islam as well as any other relative of Muhammed (pbuh). Those close to you don’t even have to be family, it can be a slave or a best friend. That verse applies to all Muslims not just Muhammed. All of us should make those who are close to us, close to Allah. None of the verses you state SINGLES OUT Ali.
Quran: Surah:4 Verse:59- O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Apostle and those in authority from among you….. this is better and very good in the end.
“Obey Allah and obey the messenger and the ulil amr (those vested with authority through His messenger).”—-Again this does not have anything to Ali in particular. Ali, was the Amir Al Mu’amineen so him like any other Muslim who is in charge of you, you must obey him. There are many ahadith stating if you have a Muslim even if he is an oppresor, you must obey him. As long as that Muslim who is in charge does not make you do something that is kufr.
In fact, Surah 4 and verse 59 (which you quote) would mean that you would have to obey Omar and Abu bakr (and anyone else whom you don’t like who was given authority over you who is a Muslim). Regardless, I know shia don’t like Omar or Abu Bakr, even though there are countless accounts of Muhammed pbuh of being with them. However, this is not the big deal. Beleif in Muhammed is essential to
Ali gave up the Caliphate to Muawiya hence you can’t accuse Mu’awiya of being a kafir, because Ali would give it up to a non-Muslim. Don’t make the mistake of many uneducated people by assuming that anyone who has “Sunni affiliations” to be supportive of the Ummayids or Abassids.
I want to bring the Muslims together. If you really thought being a good Muslim was following Ali, you wouldn’t call yourself shia you would just call yourself Muslim (following Ali would be implied). But you persist in having your own group. I have met many great “shia” people who I love. You group all of the Ahl Al Suna wa Jama’a as one group.
The whole basis of Shia sect seems to be based on things which happened after Muhammed pbuh died.
Quoting you
“Quran: Surah:38 Verse:75- Verily of his FOLLOWERS was Ibrahim. (Wa ‘Inna Min Shīa`atihi La’ibrāhīma) As said in verse 83 those who follow the same creed are called shias, and this has become a term to distinguish those who follow Ali.” Shia means sect, you can be a sect of any one or anything. Being the sect of anyone or anything other than Islam is dangerous.
Ahl-bayet= Family/people of the House, so if it is refering to people of the house of Muhammed, it is not refering to Muhammed. It is referring to the people of Muhammed’s house. Ahl Ibrahim, or Ahl Muhammed means the family of Ibrahim/Muhammed it does not mean Ibrahim or Muhammed. So if Ahl-albayet means Family of Muhammed, it certainly does not mean Muhammed is a family member of Muhammed, because Muhammed is Muhammed, he isn’t just a family member of Muhammed. When a person refers to the family of Muhammed, it isn’t inclusive of Muhammed directly. From an indirect perspective it can include Muhammed because the family of Muhammed follow Muhammed. Anyway, regardless, Ahl Al-bayet dedicated their lives to following Muhammed. If you claim to follow them, then you would dedicate your life to Muhammed pbuh as well. If you truely take Ali (ra) as an example you would avoid making divisions in the Muslims as Ali has done.
By restricting your sources of hadith to Ahl Albayet, than you would be missing out on many ahadith. Muhammed is not a follower of Ali, Ali was a follower of Muhammed you should realise that.
I hate it when “Sunni” Muslims don’t do something that Muhammed did (i.e. wear a black turbine) because “Shia” Muslims do that often. Just to be different. Some “Shia” are doing that too they are just trying to be different from the mainstream.
Just a note: I don’t think all the sahaba were good. Afterall, after Muhammed pbuh died some sahaba stop paying zakah which is kufr. But there are 10 Sahaba whom Muhammed pbuh has guaranteed Jannah (paradise) to. So, those 10 sahaba I can’t ever say they have become kafirs.
I guess what I’m saying, is that anyone who isn’t Muhammed (pbuh). Is not the messenger of God. Hence, it doesn’t matter who you like more of the Sahaba, or whether they are related to Muhammed or not. It is all a matter or preference and politics.
As Muslims our goal is to make Allah’s word the highest.
On a side note, may I have your addy if you have msn, there is something in particular that I want to talk to you about
Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmat Allahi Ta3ala Wa barakatoho.
May 11th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Ya Ali Madad,
Sunnis follow Abu Bakr and Umar. You saw we don’t like them, and that is definitley true without doubt. When Abu Bakr and Umar and other companions headed to Fatimah’s (The Radiant) house to obtain homage from Ali and his supporters who had gathered there, Umar threatened to set the house on fire unless they came out and swore allegiance with Abu Bakr. Then Umar set the house on fire and pushed the burnt door on Fatima. Some sources say upon seeing them, Ali came out with his sword drawn but was put in chains by Umar and their companions.
So in my belief, how could anyone want to follow someone that burns ppls houses down, and pushing a burning door on an innoccent lady like Fatimah (The Radiant), Muhammeds daughter, Wife of Hazrar Ali, the one that protected Muhammed all through out? Abu Bakr and Umar will burn in fire for that if you ask me. How can Sunnis deny these facts so clearly seen?
Sunnis say if Ali was the rightfull successor, then he woulda have caused war to fight for His cause. Is there something wrong with these ppl (Sunnis)? Who would want to cause war, Allah is about Peace, Love and Unity just as Muhammed (pbuh) was. Hazrat Ali did everything He could to prevent a war, because He is so kind and intelligent.
This is why today Sunnis are hard-headed and try to play the role of the Almighty Allah and tell Shias they are Non-Muslims. Who are you to tell us?
(Please note the above stated are in my belief and history facts stated)
May 14th, 2009 at 10:46 am
I wish I had seen this comment by “Omar Elfeky” sooner, w’Allah I have not been to the site as much as i want to be since I have work. It’s hard so people please bear with me. As for Omar, brother you are a foolish person and a very disrespectful person at that. You truly deaf blind and dumb and a waste of my time and I will no longer bother with you or any foolish or disrespectful people in the correct manner.
It truly is sad and it’s not worth the effort to give a excellent and logical and true response. When I have someone leaving comments like this:
” I hate it when “Sunni” Muslims don’t do something that Muhammed did (i.e. wear a black turbine) because “Shia” Muslims do that often. Just to be different. Some “Shia” are doing that too they are just trying to be different from the mainstream”.
Becasue the prophet wore a white one right? Listen to who foolish and dumb that sounds. You are foolish child and you need to go study the true history of Islam and don’t hide behind non logic and feel good stories because that what you were brought up to believe. In fact that is the only reason why you are Sunni. That’s what Mama and baba thought you so it is your way as well.
Everything you tried rebutting you backed up with no hadith or sources, all you did was give your version or maybe a Shiekhs or even the Quran you use, (commentary). I am sorry to say that you truly have no knowledge of the subject neither do understand Quran. I produce Sunni Authentic hadith and you give me your translation, as if your fit to give such a analysis.
You repeat the verses in English and you think you understand the verse lol. Are you serious?? You have no Idea what words refer to in Arabic when it comes to Quran yet you have given judgment? One word can mean many meanings that’s why there is context. That’s why Sunnis and Christians are the same they give verses without context to prove a point.
As for you saying that Muhammad is not part of Ahul bayt wow please go read and learn brother I suggest it very much. Just like a typical Sunni, you bring me a verse and you have no proof for it and you translate it the way you want. You can never bring me the context of the verse, never!!! You can’t tell me why it was revealed when or where. Here is your proof, and lets see your silly comment now. You still can’t except Muhammad of being part of the Holy Ahlul Bayt. He is the HEAD OF THE FAMILY WOW. You used Ibrahim(as) as a example, you said-
” Ahl Ibrahim, or Ahl Muhammed means the family of Ibrahim/Muhammed it does not mean Ibrahim or Muhammed. So if Ahl-albayet means Family of Muhammed, it certainly does not mean Muhammed is a family member of Muhammed, because Muhammed is Muhammed, he isn’t just a family member of Muhammed. When a person refers to the family of Muhammed, it isn’t inclusive of Muhammed directly”.
lol wow did that back fire on you.
Quran Surah:11 Verse:69-76- completely destroys you. Here it refers to Ibrahim, his wife, and sons as Ahlul bayt. So here Ibrahim is referred to as Ahlul Bayt just as Muhammad is referred to in 33:33 and here is your proof from your Sahih Muslim narrated Aisha-Ch:9 Book:31 Hadith:5955. Also there are many more like Sahih Tirmidhi, ibn Jafar al-Tabari andmany more.
As for the word shia meaning sect wow, you truly don’t know arabic. You just read the Quran in english and you read it for face value. You are right we are followers of Ali and Ali(as) is a follower of the true Sunna of Muhammad, that’s we are called followers of Ali becasue we uphold the true way of Muhammad. Even in your Sunni sect you have sects, so what the heck are you talking about. And please don’t come forth and say no you don’t its just difference of school of thought. If that’s the case then, that’s excatly why we call our selfs Shia to preserve our school of thought.
As for 4:59 once again your just giving me your english translation and off of that you are giving me your answer. You say
“Again this does not have anything to Ali in particular. Ali, was the Amir Al Mu’amineen so him like any other Muslim who is in charge of you, you must obey him. There are many ahadith stating if you have a Muslim even if he is an oppresor, you must obey him. As long as that Muslim who is in charge does not make you do something that is kufr”.
Are you kidding me, please don’t try refuting something you don’t understand, the word in VERSE IN ARABIC IS ” Yā ‘Ayyuhā Al-Ladhīna ‘Āmanū ‘Aţī`ū Allāha Wa ‘Aţī`ū Ar-Rasūla Wa ‘Ūlī Al-’Amri Minkum.
Obey Allah and obey the messenger and the ulil amr (those vested with authority through His messenger.
ONCE AGAIN ” the” ULIL AMIR” must also be as just, wise and merciful as Allah and the Holy Prophet is, and he who – administers the affairs of mankind should be the khalifatullah (vicegerent of Allah) and the waliallah (representative of Allah whom He chooses after equipping him with His wisdom). Allah Chooses not your people who stole the Kalifa. Remember the Ulil Amir is a secession passed down to that person by the propet(sawaw) himself.
As for 26:214, I swear to God I give up on you. Can you please tell me when this verse was revealed and why? You don’t even know. You think the Quran just came down on shot? Authentic Hadith have proven what this verse is referring to but, you say no. lol omg wow I guess your the new master of Quran and hadith. w’Allah this is a waste of my time. Once again all Sunni’s do is take a verse out of context and give verses translations however they see fit. And as of new, your a wonder, you read a English version (translation) and give it face value, what a joke.
Lmao excuses for that one, but omg please go to a scholar and produce Athethic hadith that say Imam Ali(as) gave up the Kalfia to Mayawia. OMG don’t ever repeat that, that was just silly and I’m sorry, stupid. What was the battle of Siffin omg loool. Imam Ali in Najahal Balagha defends himself and tells Mayawia that he has to except him as the Khalifa. If Imam Ali(as) was the Khalifa and Mayawia went to war with him then he is a Kafia.
Did you really post what you posted I’m still in shock wow. I guess Aisha never went to war against Imam Ali(as) in the battle of Jamal (camel). Guess what Imam Ali(as) was the Khalifa at the time. Wow, please get your facts straight before you come and open your mouth and sound foolish. You would be laughed of the table.
Peace be Upon those who deserve it.
August 4th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Another very welll written article on this issues between the Shia and Sunna is at:
http://www.al-shia.org/html/eng/books/beliefs/islamic-question-answer/097D751.HTM
Its totally legit to combine prayers based on Sihah e Sitta, forget Shia sources.
May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon Muhammad and his noble family (pbut).