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This is in response to the flier challenge made by the Nasibis (Kharijites) to Shia Muslims.  You have the nerve to run your mouth about Shia’s when your terrorist sect is so full of holes and dirty teachings.  I suggest you pick up a book and read.

Sahih Bukhari: Volume:1 Book:6 Hadith:298– Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses). Astagfar’Allah!!!

Your first argument presented is the issue concerning infallibility of the Imams(as).  What you simpletons don’t realize is that we are not saying that they are like Allah(swt)(astagfar’Allah!) rather that when Allah(swt) chooses a covenant on earth, he makes them infallible so his proof on earth is flawless.  So you imply Prophets are not mistake and sin free, as well?  Even if I were to accept Prophets don’t commit sin, but make mistakes– I challenge you to produce evidence that Prophet Isa(as) ever made a mistake.  I can’t say Prophet Muhammad(sawaw) because you already have disgraced him plenty astagfar’Allah.  Yet Prophet Muhammad(sawas) is better than all the Prophets, but Isa(as) never made a mistake. Really?

Sahih Bukahri: Volume: 2 Book: 22 Number: 321- Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet offered one of the evening prayers (the sub-narrator Muhammad said, “I think that it was most probably the ‘Asr prayer”) and he finished it after offering two Rakat only. He then stood near a price of wood in front of the Mosque and put his hand over it. Abu Bakr and ‘Umar were amongst those who were present, but they dared not talk to him about that (because of excessive respect for him), and those who were in a hurry went out. They said, “Has the prayer been reduced?” A man who was called DhulYadain by the Prophet said (to the Prophet), “Has the prayer been reduced or have you forgotten?” He said, “Neither have I forgotten, nor has the prayer been reduced.” He said, “Certainly you have forgotten.” So the Prophet offered two more Rakat and performed Tashm and then said Takbir and performed a prostration of Sahu like his ordinary prostration or a bit longer and then raised his head and said Takbir and then put his head down and performed a prostration like his ordinary prostration or a bit longer, and then raised his head and said Takbir.

So, first, the Prophet lies/denies the event; and then admits he was wrong and is corrected by a regular man.  When, Allah(swt), says all his words he speaks comes from Me.  Quran: 53:3-4– Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but revelation that is revealed.  So Allah(swt) told him to reveal how to do Sahu (two prostrations) for mistakes of Salah, by he himself making a mistake? Wow, you truly are idiots.  Astagfar’Allah.  When Quran tells you the Prophet is a human like you and I, it’s stating the fact that he is only a man and man is not intended to be worshipped– he has to pray to Allah(swt) just like us.  He is no different in this than any other man when it comes to Allah(swt).  Iblis has no power over Allah(swt) servants; he can’t cause them to make mistakes or to fall into sin.  For a man to make mistakes when he claims to be from God is illogical, that’s why Allah(swt) says in the Quran about his servants being untouchable(infallible).

Quran: Surah: Al-Hijr(15) Verse: 42– Surely. as regards My servants, you have no authority ,over them except those who follow you of the deviators.

Quran: Surah: Sad(38) Verse:82-83– He said: Then by Thy Might I will surely make them live an evil life, all, Except Thy servants from among them, the purified ones.

Quran: Surah: Aal- Imran(3) Verse:159– Thus it is due to mercy from Allah that you deal with them gently, and had you been rough, hard hearted, they would certainly have dispersed from around you; pardon them therefore and ask pardon for them, and take counsel with them in the affair; so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust. (which completely destroys your notion that is was the Prophet that frowned in Surah Abasa (80)).

When does Iblis(la) attack you the most???  During Salah!! But yet the Prophet can be put under magic.  What thinkers you all are.

Sahih Bukahri Volume 4, Book 53, Number 400: Narrated Aisha: Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done.

Oh, and Allah(swt) made a covenant with Imama. Quran: 2:124.

Your next weak charge is in regards to the Imam’s having knowledge of the unseen, future and past, and that they knew how they were going to die.  As if that is something that they know on their own, not that Allah(swt) has revealed to them, correct?  As if Allah(swt) didn’t know and allow you to write your original flier as He has allowed us to refute it with ease, right now.  I know that it’s hard to understand with your feeble, machine-link minds– but try to keep up.  They only know about the unseen from revelation by Allah(swt). You try to use a Quranic verse that claims only Allah(swt) knows that “Hour.”( Quran 31:34).  Let me inform you about that verse, because it’s clear that you must carry your Quran more than read it.  That verse is talking about the Day of Judgment, NOT our passing into the Hereafter. Wow what enlightened thinkers you all are!  Yes, the Imam’s were made aware of their deaths: they knew how, where, and when they would face death; BUT the moment of death (referring to precise second) when their souls would completely transcend the body, NO!!!  That is the separation Allah(swt) kept for Himself– to show His Authority.  There are many verses in the Quran you could have used that say only Allah (swt) has the knowledge of the unseen.  He tells us this over and over, because truly no one does UNLESS He reveals it to them. Allah(swt) guides the Prophets and Imam’s in all things; that is how they know what they know.  It is not something new for Allah(swt) to lead them and give them knowledge of the unseen.  How did the Prophet Muhammad(sawas) know about what had happened before him???  It was revealed.

Quran: Surah:3 Verse:44– This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Apostle!) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).

The next verse clearly states that the knowledge of the unseen was given to the Prophet Muhammad(sawaw). Why? Because he is Allah’s(swt) proof!!

Quran: Surah:3 Verse: 179– God will not leave the believers in the state in which ye are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen. But He chooses of His Apostles (For the purpose) whom He pleases. So believe in God. And His apostles: And if ye believe and do right, ye have a reward without measure.

Allah(swt) says that no one knows about the unseen realm EXCEPT to who he reveals it to.

Quran: Surah:72 Verse:26– None knows God’s unseen realm except those whom He chooses from among His messengers.

So they know the unseen because it is revealed to them.  And if your polluted brain can’t accept that Allah(swt) would reveal to them because they’re not Prophets then I suggest you read the Quran when Allah(swt) revealed to the bee the process in which to make Honey.  Quran: 16:68 The word is “Wahi”(revelation of inspiration) this is the same way revelation would come to the Prophets.  In fact this word is used again, Quran: 99:5 when Allah(swt) gave “awha” to the world; or when Allah(swt) said “awhaytu” to the disciples of Isa(as) to believe in Him.          Quran: 5:111. How about when Allah(swt) said “awhayna” about the mother of Musa(as) to suckle him and cast him into the river. Quran: 28:7.  Just because you receive wahi from Allah(swt) does not make you a Prophet, but in fact is applicable to any knowledge or action which is not obtained by observation or experience.

You also say that we are mushrikeens, that we give Allah(swt) an equal because we say: “Ya Muhammad or Ya Ali”.  I wrote an article completely refuting this weak assertion.  So I won’t waste my time refuting this. Go read it. (Is there Intercession in Islam?)

Try to understand when we call on them we are not calling on them as a means of worshipping them.  Here is a question for you that is connected to this: When the Angels did Sajood to Adam were they worshipping him??  NO, of course not because in Islam there are two types of Sajood: one is worship which is for Allah(swt) alone, and the other is obedience.  So in the same fashion we are showing obedience to the creation Allah(swt) used to reach us.  You people really have a hard time understanding that not everything is meant in a literal sense. When you see things like, the eye of God or the face of God it’s not literal– it metaphorical. Why?  Because they are representatives of God in all fashion. They are the face of God that by when you see them you know God exists because everything they do is in the name of Allah(swt).  Quran makes it clear: Quran: 3:7 there are things that are in the Quran that are literal and metaphorical. But you  Mushrikeens take everything literal. You have the nerve to say we do Shirk when you are the ones that give Allah(swt) human attributes!  You say you will see Allah(swt) with your own eyes!!!  You know how tall Allah(swt) is…… Astagfar’Allah!                       This is Tawheed??!!!

Sahih Bukhari: Volume:9 Book:93 Hadith:532a,b,and c –We said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?” He said, “Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon when the sky is clear?” We said, “No.” He said, “So you will have no difficulty in seeing your Lord on that Day as you have no difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon (in a clear sky)………He will say, ‘I am your Lord,’ and they will say, ‘You are not our Lord.’ And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, ‘Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?’ They will say. ‘The Shin,’ and so Allah will then uncover His Shin.

Sahih Bukhari: Volume:9 Book:93 Hadith:510– Narrated ‘Abdullah: A Jew came to the Prophet and said, “O Muhammad! Allah will hold the heavens on a Finger, and the mountains on a Finger, and the trees on a Finger, and all the creation on a Finger, and then He will say, ‘I am the King.’ ” On that Allah’s Apostle smiled till his premolar teeth became visible, and then recited:– ‘No just estimate have they made of Allah such as due to him….(39.67) ‘Abdullah added: Allah’s Apostle smiled (at the Jew’s statement) expressing his wonder and believe in what was said.

Sahih Bukhari: Volume: 8 Book: 78 Number: 654–Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said, “The Hell Fire will keep on saying: ‘Are there anymore (people to come)?’ Till the Lord of Power and Honor will put His Foot over it and then it will say, ‘Qat! Qat! (sufficient! sufficient!) by Your Power and Honor. And its various sides will come close to each other (i.e., it will contract). “

You run your mouths and say we are influenced by Jewish sources– you make me laugh, how about this for influence??:

Sahih Muslim: Book:40 Hadith:6809–  Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created Adam in His own image with His length of sixty cubits, and as He created him He told him to greet that group, and that was a party of angels sitting there, and listen to the response that they give him, for it would form his greeting and that of his offspring. He then went away and said: Peace be upon you! They (the angels) said: May there be peace upon you and the Mercy of Allah, and they made an addition of” Mercy of Allah”. So he who would get into Paradise would get in the form of Adarn, his length being sixty cubits, then the people who followed him continued to diminish in size up to this day.

Why does that sound familiar, hmmm? Ohhh I know– the BIBLE.

Genesis: Chapter:1 Verse:27– So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

You attack us again by stating a weak and unaccepted hadith claiming Allah(swt) changes his mind because He knew after it was made aware to Him, implying He made a mistake.  You once again bring nonsensical rhetoric saying we were influenced by Judaism. Let’s see a Sahih Hadith from the Sunni books where Musa(as) knew better then Allah(swt), and Allah(swt) changed his mind three times because he was corrected by Musa!

Sahih Bukhari: Volume:1 Book:8 hadith:345– Narrated Abu Dhar- ……..Then he took my hand and ascended with me to the nearest heaven, when I reached the nearest heaven, Gabriel said to the gatekeeper of the heaven, ‘Open (the gate)………… Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, ‘What has Allah enjoined on your followers?’ I replied, ‘He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.‘ Moses said, ‘Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.’ (So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, ‘Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.’ So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: ‘Return to your Lord, for your. followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, ‘These are five prayers and they are all (equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.’ I returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I replied, ‘Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again. Then Gabriel took me till we ” reached Sidrat-il-Muntaha (Lote tree of; the utmost boundry) which was shrouded in colors, indescribable. Then I was admitted into Paradise where I found small (tents or) walls (made) of pearls and its earth was of musk.”

The truth is, your whole sect has been compromised by Judaism and Christianity.  Your master Mawyia(la) used to pay anybody to bring him hadith.  His cabinet members were full of Jews and Christians.  So was your other master Yazid’s(la) cabinet. Like father, like son.  How does a Muslim allow Jews and Christians to be advisers for an Islamic Umma???  In fact, the whole Sunni sect, all of it, comes from your four Madhabs.  Guess where ALL four studied; under our sixth Imam, Imam Jafar as-Sadiq(as).  

The difference between us is that we know that some hadith are fake– so we don’t accept them.  The hadith you posted about Allah(swt) changing his mind and not knowing is not accepted hadith astagfar’Allah.  Unlike you we filter hadith. I wrote about it in an article explaining how there is only one Quran.  Go read it. When you bring me a hadith that goes against Quran, logic, has a weak sanad (link in narrations), no narrators, or even has a mediocre link but even one is weak– WE DON’T ACCEPT THEM. Unlike you, who accept them ALL.  Bukhari and Muslim are second Quran’s to you mushriks.  I dare you to say anything about your not accepting of those hadith, because remember… it’s called “Sahih”. Your scholars have said these books are 100% Sahih.  The only reason we keep these fake hadith is to keep the authenticity of the book preserved; because of antiquity purpose.  Prophet Muhammad(sawaw) said: “When you are presented with a hadith examine it first through Quran– if you can’t prove it through Quran then you throw it into the wind”.

As for Ashura and hitting yourself read the article I wrote about it. Don’t waste our time.  Do you know who Awis Al-Qarni is?

You truly are Kafirs, Khums is in the Quran. Quran:8-41– And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire , a fifth share is assigned to God,- and to the Apostle, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in God and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For God hath power over all things.

But what you  hypocrites do is, you limit the verse by putting in prentices (spoils of war) so you give the indication that this is only meant for war.  You truly are Zionists. But in actuality it refers to all things.  The word “Ghanayam” means the property, movable and immovable, surrendered by the enemy in any battle and every profit obtained by trade and labor, or from mines, or from sea or by means mentioned in the books of fiqh, payment of khums is obligatory, because of the rules of grammar the word ghanimat applies to all these things.

Well-known commentators like Razi and Qartabi admit that the real meaning of ghanimat does not justify its restriction to the spoils of war only.  See Tafsir Razi vol. 15, p.164 and Tafsir Qartabi vol. 4, p. 2840. Tafsir al Manar also say the same.  So according to this verse it’s saying out of every profit, from wherever it comes, including the spoils of wars, khums has to be paid, because both ma (a relative pronoun-mawsulah) and Shay’in are of a general nature and carry no restrictions.  Wa A`lamū ‘Annamā Ghanimtum Min Shay’in.Fa’anna Lillāhi Khumusahu Wa Lilrrasūli Wa Lidhī Al-Qurbá Wa Al-Yatāmá Wa Al-Masākīni Wa Abni As-Sabīli ‘In Kuntum ‘Āmantum Billāhi Wa Mā ‘Anzalnā `Alá `Abdinā Yawma Al-Furqāni Yawma At-Taqá Al-Jam`āni Wa Allāhu `Alá Kulli Shay’in Qadīrun.

You hypocrites say that Allah(swt) has withdrew his mercy from us because we combine Salah.  I wrote an article about that, too. Go read it and get embarrassed.  Maybe you will learn something.

You nasibis then say that Mut’aa is haram.  Let me destroy your assertion now once and for all.  I know it’s hard since you have clearly never read the Quran and your Sunni hadith. Click Mut’aa

Finally, may Allah(swt) curse you, you write that the Imam’s hated and disowned their close companions.  You truly are deaf, dumb and blind, I suggest you pick up a book and read the history of Islam, and read how Ahlul Bayt(as) were oppressed by your masters– the Bani Ummayd and the Abbasid empire.  The companions of the Imams were true followers of Ahlul Bayt.  BUT it was kept in SECRET. Why you ask– for the protection of the companion’s lives!!!  Some of their companions were cabinet members of the kalifas or were somehow involved with them politically.  This was done so they could bring followers to Ahlul Bayt in secret.  In order for them to serve the Imam’s the best they could, they would not show any affiliation with them.  But when people like you, (snitches), got word that people like  Zurarah ibn Ayan(ra) or Abu Baseer al-Muradee(ra) might be under the leaderships of the Imams, they would run and tell the corrupt kalifa.  So the companions were confronted with death, and so, they were allowed to use Taqiyya and say “no”.  When the Imam’s were asked about these people, they made it appear as they were bad people.  The Imam’s were not “lying”, you idiot’s, they were using Taqyyia on behalf of the companion– so their lives would be spared!!  Not to save their own life, but others.  If you would have read more on the reference you posted you would have saw the explanation of why the Imam’s said things like this; but you don’t want truth, all you want is lies and to make fitnah. May Allah(swt) curse you with your masters.  You Kafirs leave stuff out about the killing of Imam Musa al-Kazim.  The truth is Haroun Ar Rasheed(la) killed the Imam.  You open your filthy mouth and say Hisham ibn al Hakam(ra) had a hand in killing of Imam Musa al-Kazim because you posted references when he was a follower of Jahm ibn Safvan, one of the leaders of the Mo’atazalah sect and also one of the followers of the Jahamiyah sect.  Why don’t you continue to read, and you will see how he came to Ahlul Bayt after his meetings with Imam Jaffar as-Sadiq. This chapter (the first meeting) is quoted from the book – Rejal Kashi, .Tanghih al-Maghal by Mamghani; “Usul Kafi” vol.2. Pg. 13: all 500 problems and questions belonged to theological complications.  Why didn’t you post about what Imam Ali al-Rida(as), the son of Imam Musa al-Kazim(as) said about him when he died. “A great pillar of defense for Wilayah and Imamate has vanquished”.  Ghahramanan e Islam, Heroes of Islam by. Mr. Ali Akbar Tashaiod, vol.2. You mean to tell me Imam Ali al-Rida(as) didn’t know that he helped kill his father? Or even that he knew but still praised him?

The reason why you down play him and make lies about him is because of the debate he had with Abdullah ibn Yazid Abazi, the chief of the Kharajites, which was set up by Haroun Ar Rasheed(la).  Where he embarrassed him thoroughly. Even more so than this response has embarrassed your “charges”.

This is another reason why the Imam’s have to have the knowledge of the unseen.  In order to protect their followers, they needed to know what was coming before it did, and a beautiful example is from Sheikh Mufid(ra).  He writes about Imam Musa al-Kazim(as) and his companion Ali bin Yaqen(ra).  This beautiful story, worthy of its own entry, will be posted later this week.  This entire refutation article can be understood and put into perspective fully by the example of this one hadith. 

Peace be upon those who deserve it.