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		<title>By: A. Aziz</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salamu aleikum

I agree on that statement concerning use of bad language!

To: Elvin, read Nahjoul Balagha.

There was a statement about temporary marrige, I might clarify it to you with the help of some Ayatollahs or Mustaheeds as some prefer calling them.
http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/muta/
And more material on this subject, for fun sake: http://www.al-islam.org/rightsofwomeninislam/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salamu aleikum</p>
<p>I agree on that statement concerning use of bad language!</p>
<p>To: Elvin, read Nahjoul Balagha.</p>
<p>There was a statement about temporary marrige, I might clarify it to you with the help of some Ayatollahs or Mustaheeds as some prefer calling them.<br />
<a href="http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/muta/" rel="nofollow">http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/muta/</a><br />
And more material on this subject, for fun sake: <a href="http://www.al-islam.org/rightsofwomeninislam/" rel="nofollow">http://www.al-islam.org/rightsofwomeninislam/</a></p>
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		<title>By: elvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>elvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 19:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear brothers in islam.i&#039;m 43 years old and have grown up in comunisam - in bosnia.i&#039;m trying to find the way to believe properly...all this arguing is not helping.i notice some of you,my brothers,are very knowledgeable when it comes to the Holly Qur&#039;an but correct me if i&#039;m wrong or am i sensing some conceit and out of that you speak down to others because you believe that your explanation is right and the other brother is wrong and he ( wrong brother )also believes he is right.i ask Allah that he shows us, as muslims ,that we are all ONE UMMAH and these things are left up to Him to decide.i agree that we have to try to learn as much as possible but during that process we should not put each other down. and speak softly to one another like brothers that we are.when we threaten to one another with hell fire we are judging each other to extreme and i think that is for God to do.my point is,i don&#039;t know much at all about islam,but i ask Allah to show me the right way.for me, you are all my brothers and hopefully you will start thinking the same and drop this argument that leads nowhere.we can all try our best and that i hope is enough.none of us perfect despite how much we know,we will always make mistakes and answer for those...while we are arguing about these points our enemy is enjoying him self and taking the control over our lives,killing our peoples and taking uor lands..please brothers open your eyes and talk to eachother kindly and take notice what is happening to us in the world.i ask Allah for forgivness if i had said anything that  hurt anybody or their feelings .in mean time i will study the Holy Qur&#039;an and life of our prophet(pbuh) and pray the best i can that i will be on the right path.for the end - can any of my brothers(sunni or shia) tell me if there is a book i could read that both of you can agree on as a common ground and starting point ( besides Holy Qur&#039;an ) for both &quot;groups&quot;.please help me understand my religion and my brothers.how is it possible that we drifted so far a part...please know that i don&#039;t speak,read or write arabic.may ALLAH HAVE MERCY ON ALL OF US and opens our harts and minds and forgives us our sins and makes us one again.sallam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear brothers in islam.i&#8217;m 43 years old and have grown up in comunisam &#8211; in bosnia.i&#8217;m trying to find the way to believe properly&#8230;all this arguing is not helping.i notice some of you,my brothers,are very knowledgeable when it comes to the Holly Qur&#8217;an but correct me if i&#8217;m wrong or am i sensing some conceit and out of that you speak down to others because you believe that your explanation is right and the other brother is wrong and he ( wrong brother )also believes he is right.i ask Allah that he shows us, as muslims ,that we are all ONE UMMAH and these things are left up to Him to decide.i agree that we have to try to learn as much as possible but during that process we should not put each other down. and speak softly to one another like brothers that we are.when we threaten to one another with hell fire we are judging each other to extreme and i think that is for God to do.my point is,i don&#8217;t know much at all about islam,but i ask Allah to show me the right way.for me, you are all my brothers and hopefully you will start thinking the same and drop this argument that leads nowhere.we can all try our best and that i hope is enough.none of us perfect despite how much we know,we will always make mistakes and answer for those&#8230;while we are arguing about these points our enemy is enjoying him self and taking the control over our lives,killing our peoples and taking uor lands..please brothers open your eyes and talk to eachother kindly and take notice what is happening to us in the world.i ask Allah for forgivness if i had said anything that  hurt anybody or their feelings .in mean time i will study the Holy Qur&#8217;an and life of our prophet(pbuh) and pray the best i can that i will be on the right path.for the end &#8211; can any of my brothers(sunni or shia) tell me if there is a book i could read that both of you can agree on as a common ground and starting point ( besides Holy Qur&#8217;an ) for both &#8220;groups&#8221;.please help me understand my religion and my brothers.how is it possible that we drifted so far a part&#8230;please know that i don&#8217;t speak,read or write arabic.may ALLAH HAVE MERCY ON ALL OF US and opens our harts and minds and forgives us our sins and makes us one again.sallam</p>
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		<title>By: Tufail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tufail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamu alaikum brothers..
it is really sad to see all of you calling yourselves SHIA/SUNNI.!!!..The fact is that we are all MUSLIMS and are very closer to each other as stated in the Quran.
Callig yourselves with these names is a big shame on all of you!!!!....first be united as a real UMMAH an d then discuss about topics like &quot;Intercession&quot;!!!..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamu alaikum brothers..<br />
it is really sad to see all of you calling yourselves SHIA/SUNNI.!!!..The fact is that we are all MUSLIMS and are very closer to each other as stated in the Quran.<br />
Callig yourselves with these names is a big shame on all of you!!!!&#8230;.first be united as a real UMMAH an d then discuss about topics like &#8220;Intercession&#8221;!!!..</p>
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		<title>By: Tufail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tufail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalamu alaikum..dear brothers..
its really sad to see all of you calling yourself SHIA or SUNNI. I really don&#039;t understand what kind of people you are??. We are all MUSLIMS and should not call ourselves SHIA OR SUNNI !!!! We are the followers of the Prophet(PBuH) and are called as &quot;UMMAH&quot;...Morover Allah says in Holy Quran that we should hold fast to the rope of Allah and should not become divide into mere sects..
Before talking about topics like INTERCESSION we should focus on unity of muslims.
Had we remained united we would not have been suffering the way we are suffering today!!!!..
So dear brothers call yourselves MUSLIMS and focus on unity rather than menial topics like Intercession!!!!...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalamu alaikum..dear brothers..<br />
its really sad to see all of you calling yourself SHIA or SUNNI. I really don&#8217;t understand what kind of people you are??. We are all MUSLIMS and should not call ourselves SHIA OR SUNNI !!!! We are the followers of the Prophet(PBuH) and are called as &#8220;UMMAH&#8221;&#8230;Morover Allah says in Holy Quran that we should hold fast to the rope of Allah and should not become divide into mere sects..<br />
Before talking about topics like INTERCESSION we should focus on unity of muslims.<br />
Had we remained united we would not have been suffering the way we are suffering today!!!!..<br />
So dear brothers call yourselves MUSLIMS and focus on unity rather than menial topics like Intercession!!!!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i accept that wasila is allowed but only on the last day cant u read zumur v:3
prophet will save us but only on the last day we should ask for his wasila only on the last day as&quot;ya allah grant us the wasila of propheton the last day as yhis is what we sunnis ask after the adan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i accept that wasila is allowed but only on the last day cant u read zumur v:3<br />
prophet will save us but only on the last day we should ask for his wasila only on the last day as&#8221;ya allah grant us the wasila of propheton the last day as yhis is what we sunnis ask after the adan</p>
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		<title>By: ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as salam why do u fight with ech other after all we all r muslims lets stop this and u please name ur website as muslim website and not as shia website as it creates sects</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as salam why do u fight with ech other after all we all r muslims lets stop this and u please name ur website as muslim website and not as shia website as it creates sects</p>
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		<title>By: MoMahdi</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoMahdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow are you really that blind that you skipped the whole first part of the article. It&#039;s YOU PEOPLE that read and don&#039;t know what you read. The Quran is universal it is for the beginning middle end. If you say it&#039;s not then you should become a Christian and say that the laws of Islam are obsolete and should be changed for modern times. So, if the Quran is universal and everything in it is to be used forever and everything in it is a lesson and way of live for eternity then please stop your ignorance and read what Quran says. All the verses below are when the prophets are on earth. And if you tell me their dead then once again you don&#039;t know Islam and the Quran. Quran says:

Quran: Surah:2:Verse:154- And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah&#039;s way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive.    

That means they are always a means of mercy. They are martyrs and the best of martyrs. All of Allah&#039;s appointed servants die as martyrs.

And I know your Sunni jahal ways, you will try to be clever and say, &quot;So are all martyrs Wasilla&#039;s for us&quot;. And after you make that dumb comment you will feel empowered and feel as if you proved your point. 
(Even though according to your sunni hadith they can preform Shaafa on the day of judgement). 

WRONG... Because Quran makes it clear that only those who are chosen, appointed servants are  of Allah swt can be Wasilla.  As stated in the verses below. Not only that but those who have lived the live of the pure as Quran says- 

Surah:2 Verse:155-157- And We will most certainly try you with somewhat of fear and hunger and loss of property and lives and fruits; and give good news to the patient, Who, when a misfortune befalls them, say: Surely we are Allah&#039;s and to Him we shall surely return. Those are they on whom are blessings and mercy from their Lord, and those are the followers of the right course. 


Now Wasilla can be explained very fast and easy. When Allah(swt) communicates with mankind how does he do it? Of course he chooses messengers that relay his message. So, through the prophets, Allah(swt) makes aware his existence and rules to mankind. So if Allah(swt) uses a Wasilla to communicate with you, why would it not be possible to use the Wasilla to get to Allah(swt). We don’t worship the Wasilla!! Allah(swt) has accepted this person as a means of mercy to mankind, so why NOT? And in fact, when we read in the Quran, we see just that:

Quran Surah:2 Verse:61- And when you said: O Musa! we cannot bear with one food, therefore pray Lord on our behalf to bring forth for us out of what the earth grows, of its herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions…………… this was so because they disobeyed and exceeded the limits.

Quran Surah:7 Verse:134-135- And when the plague fell upon them, they said: O Musa! pray for us to your Lord as He has made a covenant with you, if you remove the plague from us, we will certainly believe in you and we will certainly send away with you the children of Israel. But when We removed the plague from them till a term which they should attain lo! they broke (the promise).

Quran Surah:3 Verse:159- Thus it is due to mercy from Allah that you deal with them gently, and had you been rough, hard hearted, they would certainly have dispersed from around you; pardon them therefore and ask pardon for them, and take counsel with them in the affair; so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust.

Quran Surah:4 Verse:64- And We did not send any apostle but that he should be obeyed by Allah’s permission; and had they, when they were unjust to themselves, come to you and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Apostle had (also) asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.

Quran Surah:63 Verse:5- And when it is said to them: Come, the Apostle of Allah will ask forgiveness for you, they turn back their heads and you may see them turning away while they are big with pride.

So from these five verses we see that Allah(swt) has allowed people to go through his chosen people to reach him as He has done to reach us. Not only that, but he has even on some occasions prescribed the people to do so. So when we do dua for Imam al-Mahdi(as) to come and to be a Wasilla between us and Allah there is nothing wrong with it, for Allah(swt) has allowed us to. But now our Sunni brothers and sisters will say, &quot;fine yes this type of intercession is permitted– but for the dunya(world) and with someone who Allah(swt) has made a covenant with,&quot; but Imam al-Mahdi is not a prophet so how did Allah(swt) establish a covenant with him? How quickly we forget when Allah(swt) in the Quran established a covenant of Imama with Prophet Ibrahim(as). Quran Suarh:2 Verse:124- And when his Lord tried Ibrahim with certain words, he fulfilled them. He said: Surely I will make you an Imam for mankind. Ibrahim said: And of my offspring? My covenant does not include the unjust, said He.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow are you really that blind that you skipped the whole first part of the article. It&#8217;s YOU PEOPLE that read and don&#8217;t know what you read. The Quran is universal it is for the beginning middle end. If you say it&#8217;s not then you should become a Christian and say that the laws of Islam are obsolete and should be changed for modern times. So, if the Quran is universal and everything in it is to be used forever and everything in it is a lesson and way of live for eternity then please stop your ignorance and read what Quran says. All the verses below are when the prophets are on earth. And if you tell me their dead then once again you don&#8217;t know Islam and the Quran. Quran says:</p>
<p>Quran: Surah:2:Verse:154- And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah&#8217;s way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive.    </p>
<p>That means they are always a means of mercy. They are martyrs and the best of martyrs. All of Allah&#8217;s appointed servants die as martyrs.</p>
<p>And I know your Sunni jahal ways, you will try to be clever and say, &#8220;So are all martyrs Wasilla&#8217;s for us&#8221;. And after you make that dumb comment you will feel empowered and feel as if you proved your point.<br />
(Even though according to your sunni hadith they can preform Shaafa on the day of judgement). </p>
<p>WRONG&#8230; Because Quran makes it clear that only those who are chosen, appointed servants are  of Allah swt can be Wasilla.  As stated in the verses below. Not only that but those who have lived the live of the pure as Quran says- </p>
<p>Surah:2 Verse:155-157- And We will most certainly try you with somewhat of fear and hunger and loss of property and lives and fruits; and give good news to the patient, Who, when a misfortune befalls them, say: Surely we are Allah&#8217;s and to Him we shall surely return. Those are they on whom are blessings and mercy from their Lord, and those are the followers of the right course. </p>
<p>Now Wasilla can be explained very fast and easy. When Allah(swt) communicates with mankind how does he do it? Of course he chooses messengers that relay his message. So, through the prophets, Allah(swt) makes aware his existence and rules to mankind. So if Allah(swt) uses a Wasilla to communicate with you, why would it not be possible to use the Wasilla to get to Allah(swt). We don’t worship the Wasilla!! Allah(swt) has accepted this person as a means of mercy to mankind, so why NOT? And in fact, when we read in the Quran, we see just that:</p>
<p>Quran Surah:2 Verse:61- And when you said: O Musa! we cannot bear with one food, therefore pray Lord on our behalf to bring forth for us out of what the earth grows, of its herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions…………… this was so because they disobeyed and exceeded the limits.</p>
<p>Quran Surah:7 Verse:134-135- And when the plague fell upon them, they said: O Musa! pray for us to your Lord as He has made a covenant with you, if you remove the plague from us, we will certainly believe in you and we will certainly send away with you the children of Israel. But when We removed the plague from them till a term which they should attain lo! they broke (the promise).</p>
<p>Quran Surah:3 Verse:159- Thus it is due to mercy from Allah that you deal with them gently, and had you been rough, hard hearted, they would certainly have dispersed from around you; pardon them therefore and ask pardon for them, and take counsel with them in the affair; so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust.</p>
<p>Quran Surah:4 Verse:64- And We did not send any apostle but that he should be obeyed by Allah’s permission; and had they, when they were unjust to themselves, come to you and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Apostle had (also) asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.</p>
<p>Quran Surah:63 Verse:5- And when it is said to them: Come, the Apostle of Allah will ask forgiveness for you, they turn back their heads and you may see them turning away while they are big with pride.</p>
<p>So from these five verses we see that Allah(swt) has allowed people to go through his chosen people to reach him as He has done to reach us. Not only that, but he has even on some occasions prescribed the people to do so. So when we do dua for Imam al-Mahdi(as) to come and to be a Wasilla between us and Allah there is nothing wrong with it, for Allah(swt) has allowed us to. But now our Sunni brothers and sisters will say, &#8220;fine yes this type of intercession is permitted– but for the dunya(world) and with someone who Allah(swt) has made a covenant with,&#8221; but Imam al-Mahdi is not a prophet so how did Allah(swt) establish a covenant with him? How quickly we forget when Allah(swt) in the Quran established a covenant of Imama with Prophet Ibrahim(as). Quran Suarh:2 Verse:124- And when his Lord tried Ibrahim with certain words, he fulfilled them. He said: Surely I will make you an Imam for mankind. Ibrahim said: And of my offspring? My covenant does not include the unjust, said He.</p>
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		<title>By: Asif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people dont understand I do believe in the 2nd part of your talk on Shafa&#039;at. But the problem is with the impermissible intercession in this world which I consider to be Shirk.
Anyways,Can you people prove from Quran that intercession of humans in this world is allowed?
I guess not.
If Allah has kept hidayah in your destiny then you will surely turn
back,Insha-allah-ur-rahman......
These are some verses related accurately to the topic:

Surah Zumar 39:3
&quot;Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say): &quot;We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah.&quot; Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.&quot;

Surah younus 10:17
&quot;They serve besides Allah things that hurt them not nor profit them and they say: &quot;These are our intercessors with Allah.&quot; Say: &quot;Do ye indeed inform Allah of something He knows not in the heavens or on earth? Glory to Him! and far is He 
above the partners they ascribe (to Him)!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people dont understand I do believe in the 2nd part of your talk on Shafa&#8217;at. But the problem is with the impermissible intercession in this world which I consider to be Shirk.<br />
Anyways,Can you people prove from Quran that intercession of humans in this world is allowed?<br />
I guess not.<br />
If Allah has kept hidayah in your destiny then you will surely turn<br />
back,Insha-allah-ur-rahman&#8230;&#8230;<br />
These are some verses related accurately to the topic:</p>
<p>Surah Zumar 39:3<br />
&#8220;Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say): &#8220;We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah.&#8221; Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.&#8221;</p>
<p>Surah younus 10:17<br />
&#8220;They serve besides Allah things that hurt them not nor profit them and they say: &#8220;These are our intercessors with Allah.&#8221; Say: &#8220;Do ye indeed inform Allah of something He knows not in the heavens or on earth? Glory to Him! and far is He<br />
above the partners they ascribe (to Him)!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bfoali</title>
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		<dc:creator>bfoali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you need to grow the courage to be who you really are, as opposed to hiding behind various screen names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you need to grow the courage to be who you really are, as opposed to hiding behind various screen names.</p>
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		<title>By: arbaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>arbaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think u should close ur website as this shows rubbish</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think u should close ur website as this shows rubbish</p>
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